Biden, McCarthy meet on ‘shared duty’ to avoid debt default

U.S. Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy and President Joe Biden met Wednesday to discuss raising the debt ceiling ahead of government funding running out in June. The two disagree on budget cuts, but they expect the conversation to continue.

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President Joe Biden and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy met face-to-face Wednesday for more than an hour of highly anticipated budget talks – “a good first meeting,” the new Republican leader said – but expectations were low for quick progress as GOP lawmakers push for steep cuts in a deal to prevent a national debt limit crisis.

Mr. Biden has resisted direct spending negotiations linked to vital action raising the nation’s legal debt ceiling, warning against potentially throwing the economy into chaos.

Mr. McCarthy had all but invited himself to the White House to start the conversation before a summer debt deadline. And he emerged saying the meeting went better than expected: The two agreed to meet again, and the speaker said he expected to hear from Mr. Biden soon.

“No agreement, no promises except we will continue this conversation,” Mr. McCarthy told reporters outside the White House.

He said he told the president he would not raise the debt ceiling without concessions from Democrats.

“I was very clear,” he said. “We’re not spending more next year than we spent this year.”

And Mr. Biden’s response? Mr. McCarthy said the president insisted on a “clean debt ceiling” vote without the budget cuts Republicans are demanding.

“We both have different perspectives on this, but I thought this was a good meeting,” Mr. McCarthy said.

The White House said the president and the speaker agreed to continue the conversation. The president made clear that it is their “shared duty” to not allow a “catastrophic default,” the White House said.

The House speaker arrived for the afternoon session carrying no formal GOP budget proposal, but he is laden with the promises he made to far-right and other conservative Republican lawmakers during his difficult campaign to become House speaker. He vowed then to work to return federal spending to 2022 levels – an 8% reduction. He also promised to take steps to balance the budget within the decade – an ambitious, if politically unattainable goal.

Mr. McCarthy said he told the president, “I would like to see if we can come to an agreement long before the deadline.”

The political and economic stakes are high for both leaders, who have a cordial relationship, and for the nation as they work to prevent a debt default.

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen notified Congress last month that the government was reaching the limit of its borrowing capacity, $31 trillion, with congressional approval needed to raise the ceiling to allow more debt to pay off the nation’s already accrued bills. While Ms. Yellen was able to launch “extraordinary measures” to cover the bills temporarily, that funding is to run out in June.

“Everyone is asking the same question of Speaker McCarthy: Show us your plan. Where is your plan, Republicans?” said Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., ahead of the meeting.

“For days, Speaker McCarthy has heralded this sitdown as some kind of major win in his debt ceiling talks,” Mr. Schumer said. But he added, “Speaker McCarthy showing up at the White House without a plan is like sitting down at the table without cards in your hand.”

Raising the debt ceiling is a once-routine vote in Congress that has taken on oversized significance over the past decade as the nation’s debt toll mounts. Newly empowered in the majority, House Republicans want to force Mr. Biden and Senate Democrats into budget cuts as part of a deal to raise the limit.

Ahead of the White House meeting, House Republicans met in private to discuss policies. And Mr. McCarthy met with Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell on Tuesday at the Capitol.

Mr. McConnell has a history of dealmaking with Mr. Biden during the last debt ceiling showdown a decade ago. But the GOP leader of the Senate, in the minority party, says it’s up to Mr. McCarthy and the president to come up with a deal that would be acceptable to the new House majority.

Still, Mr. McConnell is doing his part to influence the process from afar and nudging Mr. Biden to negotiate.

“The president of the United States does not get to walk away from the table,” Mr. McConnell said in Senate remarks.

Slashing the federal budget is often easier said than done, as past budget deals have shown.

After a 2011 debt ceiling standoff during the Obama era, Republicans and Democrats agreed to across-the-board federal budget caps on domestic and defense spending that were supposed to be in place for 10 years but ultimately proved too much to bear.

After initial cuts, both parties agreed in subsequent years to alter the budget caps to protect priority programs. The caps recently expired anyway, and last year Congress agreed to a $1.7 trillion federal spending bill that sparked new outrage among fiscal hawks.

Mr. McCarthy reiterated that he would not be proposing any reductions to the Social Security and Medicare programs that are primarily for older Americans. But other Republicans want cuts to those as part of overall belt-tightening.

Such mainstay programs, along with the Medicaid health care system, make up the bulk of federal spending and are politically difficult to cut, particularly with a growing population of those in need of services in congressional districts nationwide.

Agreeing on the size and scope of the GOP’s proposed cuts will be a tall order for Mr. McCarthy as he struggles to build consensus within his narrow House Republican majority and bridge the divide between his conservative and far-right wings of the party.

Mr. McCarthy told reporters he’s not counting on Republican support alone and wants Democratic help to pass a deal in Congress. But relying on a bipartisan approach could bring a revolt from Mr. McCarthy’s hard-right flank of lawmakers who can threaten to oust him from his speakership.

After Wednesday morning’s closed-door House GOP briefing, several Republican lawmakers insisted they would not allow the negotiations to spiral into a debt crisis.

“Obviously, we don’t want to default on our debt. We’re not going to,” said Rep. Warren Davidson, R-Ohio. “But we are going to have to have a discussion about the trajectory that we’re on. Everyone knows that it’s not sustainable.”

Rep. Kevin Hern of Oklahoma, chairman of the Republican Study Committee, held a separate briefing for his group, whose 175 or so members make up most of the House GOP majority.

Mr. Hern sent a letter to Mr. McCarthy outlining their principles for budget cuts ahead of the White House meeting.

The federal budget’s non-mandatory programs, in defense and domestic accounts, have also proven tough to trim.

This story was reported by The Associated Press. AP writers Kevin Freking and Zeke Miller contributed to this report.